We couldn't ever get grass to grow here very well - I raised the elvel of the soil to match the tie we used as a border on the patio. Because of the tall Oak above this area, we get a lot of dirt splattering onto the patio - and it makes it hard to grow grass because of the shade and how hard ther rain falls off the trees exposing the roots of the grass. So we are bricking it in level with the patio, and adding Ivy to the areas outside of this - which we are growing new roots from sprigs we snipped off a much larger plant.